Skunk Pharm Research, LLC has no connection with the folks who decided to take advantage of our reputation and sell Lucienne butane on the internet using Skunkpharm.com as the address. Skunk Pharm Research, LLC and Skunkpharm.com are not remotely related, nor do we sell butane. Someone is just cleverly taking advantage of the fact that we didn't also reserve Skunkpharm.com.
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Anyone following this tech is making dirty extract full of residual solvents. Get your stuff tested people! Thats why this is becoming illegal in so many states. These guys are not doctors or chemist or pharmacist. There tools of the gas company and industrial tool manufacturers Bio tech means nothing more than a few months weeks or hours of vocational training Listen to your doctors people. Find a safer extract method there are dozens This is a huge public saftey and health concern Bho will cause serious problems mental, psychological, cardiovascular, resperatory, CANCER! The list goes on. Read clinical studies. They dont turn up in your google searches.
What are your credentials and specifically which clinical studies are you referring to? We aren't doctors, but have certainly involved a number, including PhD's in chemistry on this project, and surprisingly our recent biotechnology graduate did have to pass his organic and biochemistry classes and lab to get the degree. Though not a partner, we have been both supported and helped immensely by the involvement of Dr Kate, Pharm D, whom you note has postings on our site. Without having a clue who we are, you label us with the epithet, "tools of the gas company and industrial tool manufacturer", which not only demonstrates your ignorance, but your lack of integrity. More specifically that you will say anything to make your case, even if you haven't researched it yourself to insure you know what you are talking about. For instance, aside from us having no connections with the gas or industrial tool manufacturers, I opine the reason it is becoming illegal to extract BHO in an unlicensed facilities, is more related to explosions in bathrooms, garages, and motel rooms. Possibly a surprise to you, but my guess is those BHOtard's aren't having their product tested before selling on the black market. Are you aware that here in Oregon, that 100% of the concentrates sold to the public through dispensaries is tested and certified by a third party lab for content, residual solvent, mold, and pesticides and most of it is extracted using BHO techniques? I see the smoke brother, but no smoking gun, only you with an array of mirrors in your hand. GW
Wow, what a write up... tons of information to ponder, thanks again Skunk Pharm...
Wouldnt sterile syringe filters filter out all the petroleum things? I mean the mystery oil is simple bolt grease they probably use somewhen producing the metal of the cans.
You can't mechanically remove other oils from the extract.
Mechanical methods will not work to separate oils that are miscible.
[…] After removal from the crude oil, the gases are typically de-sulfurized using steam and a catalytic reactive bed, and fractionally distilled into the four basic gases. As fractional distilling separates the gasses by specific gravity, the principal contaminants in n-Butane at that point, will be Iso-Butane, a branched molecule isomer of n-Butane, as well as n-Propane, and Cyclo-Propane, plus low levels of heavier, longer chain molecules than C-4, and which are often referred to as Mystery Oil. […]
I like how the comments section starts out with the typical trolling and bullshit, and ends with a number of people begging for their SOC to be tested. Great work, and cheers. Does anyone know the gas ratios of Lucienne? It is a blend of Iso, N, and Propane, but the ratios are kept as "trade secret."
@ Skunk Pharm Research,LLC So every brand of gas is harmfull to make BHO?or just the amount you vape BHO?
All canned gas has residue
As long as you use quality butane, it's not over blasted with lots of extra butane, and properly purged you won't have any negative health affects
And mystery oil isn't much of a mystery, it's the hydraulic and pneumatic oil from the machines that make, package, and pressurize the cans.
I've been doing BHO runs for about 11 years and none of this was available at the beginning. I can say thru my own experimentation that your results are pretty accurate. I have found Lucienne to be the best quality, readily available butane. Although, not as readily available, capital butane has always had the purest results in the end product. I wouldn't use anything other than these two for my own extracts, but I have used other brands for other people, but only after thorough explanation of why I only use Lucienne or capital myself. Newport and power seem to be pretty good, but i still wouldn't use them for myself, especially since I used Ronson on my first couple runs unfortunately.
First time using Colibri to fill a closed loop system... I have never seen SO much mystery oil! Ran and cleaned the system 3 times so far and every time have soaked a 6x6" paper towel with the residual mystery oil left in the collection vessel. I was not sure about what it was till I re-found this post. Will be giving it a couple more dry runs this eve after it cools down to see how much comes out before running any material. I though that the mystery oil was removed after the first run in a closed loop system. Any thoughts on why I have continued to collect the same amount from 3 runs? ~Back to Whip It and Ultra Pure i'm thinking... maybe try that Lucienne, but never the Colibri again. Thank you again Skunk Pharm! ~Dank Granny
Forgot to mention that 36 - 300ml cans were used in the filling of this system.
mystery oil, well its no mystery folks it full of markers put in by the feds, all extracts using it will turn into a lead for lawdogs to come after you for selling it. the gas may be triple distilled, but the mystery oil is then added after that, or if you trust your own brain, how could it be triple distilled and have the mystery oil still in it?answer it wouldn't unless some one added it after the fact. wake up its bad news from the bad idea factory ,the government. all else is BS, only way for it to be there is added after. a bunch of nice theories here, but no thinking...wake up
I will repeat for the 1000 time, all of the cans are bad news, all the rap on them about triple distillation being done is leaving out the info that the harmful things go in afterwards. NO CAN is good, period as in NONE>I have tried for years now to bring awareness to this.
Not making bho anymore orJust smoke the weed then?
Just eat it.
Wow... am to conclude from your chart that plain old Zippo is cleaner, as far as residue, than Puretane? I feel like I bought my butane from McDonalds... like I fell for good advertising. I will study a bit more.
If you do end up getting open blasted BHO, is decarboxolating it going to remove this nasty mystery oil? Or should i just throw it away? The end product would be a topical rub on oil. Would this be bad to use on my skin?
It depends on how much you have in your concentrate. What are you using to open blast with? Decarboxylating per se doesn't, but the heat would evaporate away some.
Cook it into some coconut oil.
I landed on this site as the result of some really pretty, golden looking crumble that when burned smells like rubber tire fire. Not pretty. Tastes like it too. Any idea where this is coming from? This is the 2nd time in 2 weeks that I've been provided with this bunk stuff. We will not be consuming any of it -- at least vaped. Probably going to use it for cooking or something.
By the way, thank you for your work and contributions!
Dirty pump got lubricant into the product creates burnt tire taste
You're welcome!
that taste/smell is from the pump the extractor used being dirty and getting lubricant into the product.
None distilled PHO from ecogreenindustry. Plants that grower burned sulfer in the room during flower? I would ask the bud tender if they have a clue. I would also probably return it to the vendor.
What did you use for butane and did you predistill it before using it to extract?
[…] eine Verunreinigung im Promille Bereich in seinem BHO. Das ganze ist empirisch nachgewiesen. BHO Mystery Oil | Skunk Pharm Research LLC Unter dem Begriff "mystery oil" findet ihr noch mehr dazu. Vakuum oder Ultraschall sind […]
Thank you so much for your advice I was about to order some. I will probably pass for now
I would like to hear your opinion about the MZ12X organic solvent www.purezho.com thank you for everything you have done here its very helpful and appreciated.
The MZ12X that we subjected to a third party forensics lab for analysis, showed it to be Dimethyl Ether and CO2. Dimethyl Ether can be produced any number of different ways, but the MZ12X is manufactured from Methane harvested from Korean municipal sewage. http://www.ohio.edu/people/lees1/DME.html It has a boiling point lower than n-Butane at -12.7C/-28.8F), and is relatively easy to purge. The MSDS shows it to be relatively non toxic, at 1000 ppm Workplace Environmental Exposure Levels (WEEL). http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/MSDS/MSDS/DisplayMSDSPage.do?country=US&language=en&productNumber=295299&brand=ALDRICH&PageToGoToURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sigmaaldrich.com%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Faldrich%2F295299%3Flang%3Den It isn't friendly to elastomer seals and gaskets, which makes reclaim difficult and you have to be careful what you store it in. His ad playing on heavy metals from butane is BS. n-Butane is a simple fully saturated alkane, which is harvested as a gas and compressed into a liquid, so is an unlikely source for heavy metals, nor have any of the third party forensic lab shown them to be present. I wouldn't expect heavy metals from the municipal sewage to find their way into the Dimethyl Ether either, nor did we find any. Heavy metals typically come from plant food and fertilizers. He says it is less flammable than butane, but both butane and dimethyl ether are rated under H220 as Class 4 Extremely flammable gases. https://www.airgas.com/msds/001007.pdf http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/MSDS/MSDS/DisplayMSDSPage.do?country=US&language=en&productNumber=295299&brand=ALDRICH&PageToGoToURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sigmaaldrich.com%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Faldrich%2F295299%3Flang%3Den Its cousin Diethyl Ether forms explosive peroxides, but no such caveat exists for Dimethyl Ether. Its cousin Diethyl Ether is on the federal watch list, but not Dimethyl. Until we can reclaim it, we will continue to use n-Butane and Propane. Open extraction is not as safe and is more polluting to the environment.
Methane from Korea municipal sewage ? You are spreading misinformation for a public company. Would you like to wage on that Gray wolf?
I've scanned the BHO Mystery Oil article several times for such a comment, and conclude you must be lost. Might you be more specific at the appropriate place? GW
Dimethyl Ether and CO2 are relatively non toxic, but still highly flammable. Literature suggests that it doesn't as readily form peroxides as Diethyl Ether and not on the DEA watch list like Diethyl Ether. It is also hard on elastomer seals and gaskets, so recycling is more difficult. That, and the price makes it relatively expensive to extract with.
your knowledge will pave the way for future generations to come. really inspired by this website.
Also want to say thank you so much for doing this research when I started making bho 2 years ago their was no research available and little speculation oh how to go about the process.
Thanks for the good thoughts Zach!
You state pulling a vacuum will remove the inert chemicals could you do a study on weight of product compared to time needed to remove said chemicals Under vacuum
BULLSHIT!
Someone said if you open blast and put the BHO into an oven at 250* for 15 min it will purge off 100% of the butane and decarb. the oil at the same time. Would the butane and the mystery oil boil off totally at those temps?
Explosion waiting to happen! Never purge butane in an oven!
Im saying after its totally purged. Sorry i wasnt clear on that. We would First purge the BHO in a vac oven for 24 hours then proceed to decarb it in a oven at 250* for 15 min. My question is. Will the mystery oil and other toxins boil off at 250*
No, some of the MO constituents have a boiling pint higher than 250F. Better to take then out before extracting with the butane.
At 50°C (122°F) THC-Acid decarboxylates as the water molecule held in the carbonate form evaporates. This activates the THC. At 31°C (87°F) the less volatile terpenoids start to evaporate, lending the air even more pungent odors.
if people use no "wulfsche Flasche", thy can got mystery`s too ... http://www.reiss-laborbedarf.de/uploaded/image/shop/laborkatalog/654/00085_031_1_small.jpg
Looks like a nice vacuum trap.
Yes it is ;) so in EU it is not allowed to use vacuum pomp's for medical or food production with oil inside, if there is no gas-washer in line... ! and dry-pomp`s are expensive ...
At this point we should be calling it "mystery solved oil" or something to that effect. After all of the work from Skunk Pharms and SkyHighler from IcMag there really sin;t much of a mystery left any more. You guys deserve a lot of thanks and credit for actually doing a bunch of lab tests and flanging up real evidence and publishing it all online.
Thanks for noticing! Some look for solutions, and some look for the imperfections in solutions. Motives generally determine the difference.
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[…] residuals". Hier wurden die "resuduals" extrahiert und labortechnisch untersucht. BHO Mystery Oil | Skunk Pharm Research LLC In summary, there were simple Alkanes present as long as C-16, which are not of health concern […]
because not every brand of every can has the same exact amount of "mystery oil" in it. Mystery oil is not regulated by how much weight per can, its just in there.
After reading the additional work by Skyhighler I am a tad confused as to how the Ronson came out as one of your worst and for him some of the best? That's a pretty substantial difference. Since it is US sourced are there separate locations where they're produced?
because not every brand of every can has the same exact amount of “mystery oil” in it. Mystery oil is not regulated by how much weight per can, its just in there.
Ronson brand was purchased and is no longer the same product.
did you think it is enough, to distill the gas onetime before using it, to get out all non gas shit?
You can distill it down into the parts per billionth level, which is below any levels of official health concern.
any testing on honey 7x
i am using Blue 9x any results on that one?
can you please review Cloud Fuel its supposedly pharmaceutical grade or at least it claims it is on the can, also please do one on DODO please wanting to know the residuals on it begin that its the cheapest around would like to compare it to colibri
Have you guys tested MZ-12x yet? And if so, could you post results? I just found it online and am wondering about it.
see http://skunkpharmresearch.com/2014/02/14/2307/
I just got ripped off by these guys. The website does not function after you register. They do paypal and then once you pay, you never get a response. Thomas McCully is the name you get for payment. Email is Tom.Cimino@gmail.com. The other possibly ficticious names are Nate Diaz and mmoratings@gmail.com. Total ripoff.
Please remove the previous post. They finally contacted me with a tracking no. Lets hope it was what I ordered. Literally a minute after I posted this, they called back. Finally.
We were unable to copyright our name, because we are cannabis related and it is against federal laws. This is obviously not us, but some unscrupulous opportunists.