Time for action brothers and sisters! In /butane-safety/ I shared a few tips on how to extract using flammable solvents like butane, without immolating yourself. A thread that was shared on half a dozen forums, and even made a Sticky on PIF http://freemygreenpdx.com/topic/8354-bho-safety/ and IC Mag https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=212613 , and sanctified by the serious professionals as being both common sense and good advice, but leave us not forget about the ignorant, and the pathology in the populous. We are all ignorant on some subjects, and this thread, like the previous one, is directed at education for those with ears, but just like repeat drunk drivers plague society, the same mental pathology plagues our cannabis movement in the form of BHOtards. More at /booming-bhotards-the-explosion-of-explosions/
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I'm not sure where to post this. I just wanted to ask a question about everclear extraction. When do you winterize? I've been doing it after I evaporate the alcohol off and then add back a small amount and stick it in the freezer for a couple days. Can I just winterize after my 3 five minute washes or should I continue doing like I have. I'm just looking for the best way to make a clean concentrate to vape in cartridges for my wife to medicate with ease. Thanks!
Ethanol doesn't pick up much plant wax, so you don't have to winterize it. That is primarily a problem with non polar extractions, because of the low dielectric index of the waxes. If you would like to check, filter the alcohol mixture to 1 micron and chill it to below 0C overnight. Filter the next day and see what additional comes out. GW
Hi, I was looking for HVAC Providers in your area and found your site ( skunkpharmresearch.com ), I'd like to ask you a quick question, can you handle more Com and Res clients? If I generate new leads for you in return for a small monthly fee would you be interested? Request a free audit on our website, you could be ranking higher on Google with my help! http://strivefirst.com Regards, Renato Costa http://strivefirst.com
Thanks for the good thoughts Renato, but we have no clients, nor do we sell anything. GW
Thanks for the good thoughts Renato, but we are a free public information blog, with no customers. GW
GoodMorning,How much do you charge per hour
Skunk Pharm Research doesn't offer for hire consulting, but Carla does so at her own business at Specialized Formulations. You can reach her at carla@specializedformulations.com. Pharmer Joe consults from his business Oregon Medical Growers and you can reach him at joeoakes@oregonmedicalgrowers.com. JD aka Graywolf is retired, but has been known to run off at the mouth over breakfast or lunch, just not taking new contracts. graywolf@skunkpharmresearch.com. GW
Do you guys still do the bho classes
Alas no, Oregon's medical marijuana laws are in turmoil, after passage of Measure 91 legalizing recreational marijuana. It is now a class B felony to extract without a licensed and permitted facility, so while we can exercise our first amendment rights to free speech, we have no rights allowing us to physically demonstrate outside a licensed and permitted facility. GW
Thanks for this great informative site. Can you tell me If and How it is possible (hopefully for a layman) to reverse the thca decarboxylisation proces? thc-->thca? I'd like to produce the acidic form because it is not psychoactive and research shows it is about equally potent against cancer proliferation (as the neutral thc; http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/318/3/1375.full ). If we'd have pure thca, much higher dosses can be tolerated.
carbolic acid form of thc begins to break down almost immediately in my own experience. The extracts I get, when placed under water for measuring the gases begin losing their carbon atoms (decarboxylation) immediately. Every degree of temperature appied, from sunlight shining to just ambient room temp accelerates the process. I have seen theoretical chemistry essays that speak generally about reverting a carbolic group in general back to the carbolic form, but this is outside the scope of our industry. In terms of research, I have not seen any credible source whatsoever that would corraborate the claim that the carbolic acid form of thc is a more potent medicine against cancer. This seems like fishy info because how on Earth with the carbolic form being so unstable and constantly breaking down into Delta 9 thc or cbn, or likely a few other compounds, how could researchers even apply this to patients without the carbolic form converting to delta 9? The truth on research is this; most approved research was done with joints rolled on donated cigarette machines from Phillip Morris. These worn out machines were necer capable of rolling joints for research of any real potency because beyond low grade pot the marijuanna was so sticky the machines would jam up and not function. So nearly ALL government approved research was done with skunky bunk of no potency because the only legal joints they could use came off of worn out machines that couldnt handle good bud. Use caution in attempting to use old medical,studies as a reference. They are not invalid studies as far as research goes, but until real,studies, post prohibition, take place which has yet to be approved by the federal government (prohibition is still in effect in the vast majority of locales), then any study that has been government approved was approved by a government who officially catagorizes pot in the same legal catagory as heroin, which has the official govt stamp of "no known medical value". In other words 100% bullshit fed to the masses to keep pharma and textile industries happy. That is a very long winded way of saying the government studies are as useful as a government man who shows up at your door and says, "I am here to help."
Hello, I'm in need of a closed loop system and some hands on training! I live in Alaska but will be taking a vacation soon. If you could email me back with any info on what you offer it would be appreciated
This site is often quoted online. Nicely done my fellow Oregnians! In my novice efforts to determine boiling points, I boiled some extract while measuring with a candy thermometer in a small beaker. The temp graph made little sense to me because the mix seemed to plataue at 308 F for a while with visible vapor, but then climber very high before boiling. I removed the small lid and sampled the air like my high school science teacher showed and I immediately recoiled. It smelled liked burnt tranny fluid. I lamented long.... I only did this portion of the experiment on half my stash. I figured it was money spent learning, but saved the stuff on teflon paper anyway. This morning I sampled some of the nearly black but liquid upon touching (out of the freezer), and was shocked at the smooth and pleasant taste and feel. Then for several minutes I hypothesized that Einsteins "inertial frames" were better described as "time slip energy eddies" as well as solving the worlds problems with drinking water..... It was pretty potent stuff. My description is pretty accurate so I wonder who else may have tried cooking the extract until boiling then seeing how it works? I put a cover on mine because it cracks and pops and sizzles, but maybe it is all that stuff crackling and popping that I want destroyed anyway? Just a question hoping to see if anyone else out there has cooked their extracts?
note; I sampled by using my vaporizor set at 400 F. Normally thhis high of a setting causes harsh hits.
I've been looking over the new proposed rules for medical marijuana. I see that schedule 1 solvents are not allowed but then several lines down it specifically says that canned butane is not allowed. So I'm confused, is butane a schedule 1 solvent? Does this spell the end of butane extraction in Oregon? Am I just confused and reading it incorrectly?
We suggest checking in with your legal counsel about the changes. We are not qualified to give legal advice.
I have been considering using dry ice to make hash, then using an alcohol extraction process to reduce the plant material and chlorophyll content. It would seem this would be a much faster process if you have large quantities of trim. Does that make any sense? My ultimate goal is to try to separate the THC from CBD, keeping both for use as needed for medical conditions.
I heard about you guys in a high times magazine from 2014. Have you delved into supercritical co2 yet and do you offer hands on education in your classes? Thanks. Text at 541-912-4070 or email. Thanks again. - joe
We've delved deeply enough into super critical CO2 to realize it is a deeper rabbit hole than we are prepared to travel down, so are leaving it to the folks who have made it their passion.
Is it at all possible to make fresh frozen qwiso? or would there be too much chlorophyll leeched out?
Yup!
Hi Skunk Pharm! ..and gray wolf! I intend to build my own closed loop system with a cold trap, column and collection chamber. I am not experienced in CLS, but I want to know if this is a blasphemous idea; or a pheasable plan with proper patience, design and materials..e c.. I see a lot of traffic on here but I would greatly appreciate any starter input at all for a novice alchemist seeking safe, legal meds
We build our own, as do lots of others, so don't see it as blasphemous.
Hi. I love ur site. I was wondering if u still do classes in Oregon ? And what do u think of terppextracters?
terpp extractors are modelled after the terpenator designs found here at skunkpharm, in case you didn't know. I'd imagine they think pretty highly of their own designs
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Hi Elo, Joe, and Grey I have a question I can't find an answer for very easily. I'm using a terpinator (bho). I compete a run all goes fine w/extraction, (open up whala). Decent amount, still boiling off a little bit in the collection chamber. I'll let that go on w/ some heat assistance till activity is gone (about 1/2hr or so @ 115f). Now I add everclear, not a measured amount but enough to get it dissolved evenly. Then into deep freeze. After 48 hrs in the freezer@ -20 I get pudding. Won't pour into my Buckner funnel. I figured that one of you would have heard of or experienced this and could help . I don't think I'm getting my winterizing right. Please help running low on everything. Thanks for giving me your ears and hope to hear from you soon. Rob C.
What's a better canned product?? N-Tane Blend from Capitol VS. Puretane??? If you had to choose, Please advise ASAP! Thanks! @ GrayWolf & All of SkunKPharmResearch Team! Much Respect! Peace! General Grant ⛽️
Hi, I'm wondering if I can do a thermos soak like process, but instead of a thermos, can I use a 3"x6" triclamp spool with a welded base and drill the top end cap for a butane nozzle and vent holes, and keep this chilled OUTSIDE OF COURSE in a bain marie full of dry ice. If I was to do this, I need to get the teflon gaskets correct? And what type of clamp would be suitable for the top? I want to get something along these lines put together so I have a bomb proof, easy to clean vessel in which to do bubble hash soaks. Also from what I understand, it will take a relatively long time to fully extract from the material at such low temps as created by the dry ice bath. Can you recommend a ballpark amount of time to soak to experiment with at first? An hr, 2 hrs? Trying to soak from 3 up to 6 oz of dried, frozen, and ground bubble hash at a time. Thanks, Liam
my name is Anthony I have done extensive research on your site skunk pharm and I just had a question I've done butane and isopropyl and while I like both I feel the isoprophyl is really easy and I've gotten a very good product what I'm wondering is I know you guys do recommend doing fresh material for butane runs I was wondering if you recommend the same for isopropyl as well and am I correct in assuming that when you do the decarboxylation its only for topicals you don't do that if you're going to use it for vaporizing correct? thanks so much your site has been extremely helpful anthony
i have also sent this question to graywolfs email,so an answer in either place is fine thanks in advance Anthony
What is the best way to purge without a vacume?
Do you have any video of that? I'd love to find out more details.
I was wondering if anyone has done any research on the fractional distillation of different cannabinoids and their thoughts on the process. I've heard that's what clear concentrates uses with the solvent d-lemoninine and I'm interested in the process because specific cannabinoids can be extracted at different temps and that holds a huge medicinal value
Please give me the latest on the mz12. I'm not sure if it's any safer/better than butane?
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Hi folks, I live in Montana and I'm having a difficult time finding a reliable testing facility around my area. Frankly my background in chemistry is introductory at best, but I'm a quick learner and was hoping one of you may be able to recommend the appropriate equipment needed to test for cannabinoids, terpenes, moisture, and molds. Basically, what do you guys work with (model, brand, anything)? The company here in town told me yesterday that they are 4 months behind on testing...That's a joke, and I wish to give this a try myself if I can keep the expense down. In the end I figure I will pay it off in testing anyway so price isn't necessarily a determining factor (within reason of course, say under $10,000). I have searched around a bit and have seen home portable units for under $2,000, but they don't seem to test for terpenes. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Its time Montana steps out of the stone age ;) Thanks for everything you provide to the world! -MOME
I love your website you have all done a great job. Thank you I appreciate it. Why anyone would use butane indoors is beyond me. That's the only reason these houses blowup. Foolish foolish people. I would like to be contacted about your canister please. I just have a couple of questions.
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when and how do i get ahold of wolfwurx for a terp specialised hasn't responded and im very interested and time is key thanks GW
Are you guys offering classes in 2014?
Hello my friends. I did this yesterday. I had Weed and Hash for 250$. I smoked it and it wasn't making me high. Dis happens often and i decide to make it stornger. I bought some 96% Ethanol and mixed all the weed and Hash, (20grams) together with the Ethanol. I cooked it for about 2 Houers. After i let it cool down.Then add a ca 10 ml of 98% Sulfuric acid. This converted mentally inactive THC isomers and related substances such as cannabidiol in akitve THC isomers around . Then you cook it again for 4-5 hours under reflux and allowed to cool. Now slowly soda is added until it stops bubbling in the addition. Then there's the mixer through a coffee filter and the filtrate is cooled down to about 5 ° C in the refrigerator. Then you take a water-insoluble solvent such as Benzene, ether , chloroform, surgical spirit , Toluol , dichloromethane, xylene ( Please benzene, is Carcinogenic , if one net Removes right!) Or what you've just in the house and heated it to more than 30 ° C. Then you are about 150ml of it on the filtrate and shake well for 30 sec through . Then added 500ml of ice cold water , stir and let it stand for 10 minutes . There , two layers form in the liquid. - The water will absorb the alcohol. THC migrates into the layer containing the water-insoluble solvent. - Separate the two layers of each other (if you have not a separating funnel , let you come up with something ) . The water / alcohol layer (lower layer) can be discarded. The other layer is carefully evaporated in a shallow dish ( water bath is optimal, but beware, the vapors of lsg.m. are flammable! ) What remains is the hash oil. I made 4 mistakes in this experiment. Number one is i didn't had correkt waights messed. Number two is i have not correkt waight of Sulfic acid and added it to fast into the Ethanol. Number three, i addet to much soda. Number four I didn't wait 10 Minutes after adding Water, only 2 Minutes. My result is a little bit stronger than befor but i think if you realy folow the manuals you will become a strong Oil. I think this method is good if you have realy bad weed or some whitout THC. Because i think it only helps if there is CBD. Interesting it is for Industrial Hemp. In the buds of industrial hemp is about 8% CBD. IF YOU MAKE 2 KG you pay about 300$. 200$ for Weed plus 100$ for the ingreedence. You will become 150Grams THC if it is true. Maybe you didn't isomerisate 100%, Maybe 50% so you still have about 75gram THC. It is worth 10Onze Very good weed. If somebody knows what realy happens after adding water and if somebody know what happens if i didnt add the acid slowly drop by drop, please let me know.
what would you call this process?
Could one of you contact me about purchasing a Terp 3 setup. I am very rural and ups routes for ordering everything wouldn't work for me. Would like to purchase complete setup with instructions.
Suggest you try Specializedformulations.com. None marketed here at Skunkpharm.
Guys would a 1 mil thick stainless steel stockpot be thick enough to use as vac chamber ? thanks for everything.Fred
.039 is pretty thin. What size pot?
But what is the process. Thx Steve
Would you elaborate on your question? Thx GW
Myself & I'm sure many many others greatly appreciate the information you guys provide. Also, It is pleasant being able to converse on a site/blog WITHOUT all the "BS" back & forth bickering typically found nearly everywhere these days... Thank you for keeping your blog free of such. I have been searching for someone with knowledge about "Isomerization"... Every person I have asked so far does not respond at all & others just say they are unfamiliar with the subject. (One group started cussing at me stating I was a stupid !*@% and that I had no idea what "Decarboxylation" was for). I figured you guys might be a bit more receptive to new topics LOL! Do you have any knowledge in the area of Isomerization? I first learned about it from a product that was sold in the mid to late 70's called a "KIK POT". This device is rarely found these days, I was fortunate enough to receive one nearly brand new from an old hippie friend that ordered it through a magazine. Of course the KIK pot & similar products were pretty much outlawed about the time Ronald & Nancy moved into the white house. The advertisement for the product stated "Increase your potency up to 800%". I would be interested to know any tidbits you may have to offer on the topic of Isomerization. -Peace, Love & Hippy Beads-
Isomerization turns the CBD present into THC and we've done it, but it wasn't very exciting because there isn't that much CBD in most recreational strains in the first place, and pure THC isn't all that notable as an experience. The only way to get anywhere close to an 800% potency increase, would be to start with a land race, or other high CBD strain. Since the plant genetics decide whether to convert the CBG to CBD or THC, it is easier to just start with a high THC strain to start with. Don't know that I would necessarily describe it as a potency increase, but we did find different and notable results acetalizing the THC into THC-O-Acetate. It produces a different high and has improved pain relief than plain THC.
Hello my friends. I did this yesterday. I had Weed and Hash for 250$. I smoked it and it wasn’t making me high. Dis happens often and i decide to make it stornger. I bought some 96% Ethanol and mixed all the weed and Hash, (20grams) together with the Ethanol. I cooked it for about 2 Houers. After i let it cool down.Then add a ca 10 ml of 98% Sulfuric acid. This converted mentally inactive THC isomers and related substances such as cannabidiol in akitve THC isomers around . Then you cook it again for 4-5 hours under reflux and allowed to cool. Now slowly soda is added until it stops bubbling in the addition. Then there’s the mixer through a coffee filter and the filtrate is cooled down to about 5 ° C in the refrigerator. Then you take a water-insoluble solvent such as Benzene, ether , chloroform, surgical spirit , Toluol , dichloromethane, xylene ( Please benzene, is Carcinogenic , if one net Removes right!) Or what you’ve just in the house and heated it to more than 30 ° C. Then you are about 150ml of it on the filtrate and shake well for 30 sec through . Then added 500ml of ice cold water , stir and let it stand for 10 minutes . There , two layers form in the liquid. – The water will absorb the alcohol. THC migrates into the layer containing the water-insoluble solvent. - Separate the two layers of each other (if you have not a separating funnel , let you come up with something ) . The water / alcohol layer (lower layer) can be discarded. The other layer is carefully evaporated in a shallow dish ( water bath is optimal, but beware, the vapors of lsg.m. are flammable! ) What remains is the hash oil. I made 4 mistakes in this experiment. Number one is i didn’t had correkt waights messed. Number two is i have not correkt waight of Sulfic acid and added it to fast into the Ethanol. Number three, i addet to much soda. Number four I didn’t wait 10 Minutes after adding Water, only 2 Minutes. My result is a little bit stronger than befor but i think if you realy folow the manuals you will become a strong Oil. I think this method is good if you have realy bad weed or some whitout THC. Because i think it only helps if there is CBD. Interesting it is for Industrial Hemp. In the buds of industrial hemp is about 8% CBD. IF YOU MAKE 2 KG you pay about 300$. 200$ for Weed plus 100$ for the ingreedence. You will become 150Grams THC if it is true. Maybe you didn’t isomerisate 100%, Maybe 50% so you still have about 75gram THC. It is worth 10Onze Very good weed. If somebody knows what realy happens after adding water and if somebody know what happens if i didnt add the acid slowly drop by drop, please let me know.