About

Hi ya’ll!  Graywolf here to welcome you to Skunk Pharm Research LLC!

Our new start up company and this site are just starting to come together, so please bear with us and we will do our best to make your time worthwhile, by sharing our research with you for free.

We derive our income from leasing equipment of our design to local OMMP service providers, and spend it researching new equipment, processes, and potions for use by medical marijuana patients.

We started the company because our cannabis research hobby was eating up all of our mad money allowances, and we will be happy to break even after taxes, so that we can again use our mad money for personal fun and games.

As part of our research, we supply pro bono potions to volunteer patient test panels with a variety of different medical complaints and to end of life patients requesting support to attempt a cannabis cure with gram a day doses.

We periodically conduct hands on extraction classes of our own, that thus far have been well received, and have agreed to start teaching show and tell extraction classes at other local groups.

We neither buy or sell cannabis products, and all of our donations come from our own strictly compliant garden, or from material donated for that purpose by other skunk pharmers, who meet our organic growing standards.

In our own garden, we are focusing on developing high CBD strains to make high dosages tolerable to more people, when delivered in a sublingual or oral format.  We currently have Cannatonic and another no name strain that look promising and ES will keep you up to date on that progress.

Skunk Pharm Research LLC was formed by us three equal partners, from the local skunk pharmers group, with no medical credentials beyond Red Cross first aid to any of our names.  We include one each retired electrical and manufacturing engineer, plus a bright young biochemistry student just getting started.

We have no illusions of any of our results ever being accepted by the medical profession, and in point of fact, that is not our goal or intent.

Our intent is to dramatically increase the number of MMJ patients running through the streets waving their arms and shouting out their miracle as they see it, and to send more to the voting place, with their eyes open, so that they can no longer be lied to.

The group made me Technical Director, because being older than dirt, I know enough to be dangerous on a wide range of subjects, though alas, I am the resident expert on absolutely nothing.

I mostly handle equipment and extraction process development.  I will freely share my progress on those projects with ya’ll, both here and on other forums where you see my Graywolf sobriquet.

Joe, is our R&D Director, dragging us old farts (or fartess) kicking and screaming into the 21st century.  He has not only helped us immeasurably with chemistry, but is leading our charge on tissue culture, synthetic seed development, and DNA sequencing.  He will be keeping ya’ll up to speed on his page as he progresses.

Eloquentsolution is our Marketing director in charge of purchasing, and our lease programs. She is also our master dirt pharmer, consistently pumping out our fat bottomed girls like clockwork and will be keeping ya’ll up to date on our master garden.

She also likes to play in the lab and developed both our Holy Anointing Oil oral, and topical medications, as well as other potions she will share with you.

More to come, so hope ya’ll will keep checking back.

Kohst ah Wa ya, aka Graywolf

192 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by rob on March 4, 2014 at 1:53 PM

    Have you ever used DMSO as as solvent? i have been interested in making a medical spray topical for skin issues. . I’m thinking of using dmso instead of ethanol to make an absolute.

  2. Posted by Alildabwilldoya on February 26, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    Very cool site and forums! Looking forward to reading up on all the topics and checkng out the forums!

  3. Posted by Adriana on February 26, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    Hello,

    I am the mother of a son who suffers from chronic migraines. Conventional medicine has not worked. Unfortunately, my knowledge within this area is minimal. Is there a contact number where I would be able to speak with you? Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

  4. Posted by Skoosh on February 23, 2014 at 4:05 PM

    Kohst ah Wa ya:
    Thank you for the time/financial investment in making this forum available.
    (Grabbing a seat over there in the corner…)

    Sk
    ;-)_~~

  5. Hi all, great site you have here.
    I am looking to make medicated coconut oil with kief. My plan was to do the first round in a fondue pot/pyrex beaker oil bath at ~155F to infuse the oil. Then I would strain it and return it to the oil bath at ~250F to observe the bubble production of decarboxylation.
    Does this sound like the right method to y’all? I suppose I could do the infusion and decarboxylation simultaneously, but it would be harder to observe and I don’t want super sedative meds.

  6. Posted by BasoonBubbles on February 22, 2014 at 5:51 PM

    Hi,

    First I have made a lot of use of content on this site, specifically your tutorial on QWET and polishing extracts, and your various posts on forums out there that have lead me back here at least a few times. It’s a great resource and much appreciated! Thank you!

    I had a question, not that I expect you to answer necessarily as I feel that would be presumptuous. However I have a very specific extract question, and I have not seen an answer anywhere that was obvious enough for me to track down myself.

    Here goes:

    Would it be possible to use lower temperatures to make polar solvents like ISO and Ethanol pickup 0 chlorophyll like butane, even in a long soak?

    I ask this because my freezer goes to -6 degrees F for some reason, and I can soak “already been vaped” herb in ISO for 2-3 minutes inside the freezer (after they have both been in there overnight) and get only minor discoloration, where as at room temperature even 1 minute in ISO, usually the solution turns black and results in pretty lame oil. The stuff out of the freezer is worlds better.

    So I am wondering if there is a temperature band in which chlorophyll is completely insoluble in ISO and yet cannabinoids remain soluble? If there was such a band you could theoretically do a long term soak in a freezer of some sort and still send up with fairly pristine oil when using a polar solvent.

    That may not even be a coherent question, and if it is not, then please disregard :) Otherwise any answer is greatly appreciated!.

    Thanks!

  7. Posted by Nicole Kain on January 10, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    I’m interested in your 2014 classes for BHO. Can you tell me when you will be posting those?

    Thank you.
    Nicole

  8. Hey guys! I got a er-well buncha er-well pot. It’s what’s left from the fall crop, sorta. It tried to get this funky white mold while it was hanging and bone dry, even. That bunch I rum cured but it still tastes weird- don’t use spiced rum I think. but it still has that sweetish taste. Any recommendations? I make BHO, oil, or blender hash good. Don’t cook wurf spit- I’m single haha.

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    so grateful ifound this

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  11. hi how are you I am A compassionste card carying caregiver with a lot of donations got good deal on some out of the box girl scout cookies and many other flavors I am in desperate need of a tankfor trade donations buy or borrowor . I also have at least 10 other tanks sold for you as you were talking and I’m lying about someone telling your textplease respond to phone number or email as soon as possible As I am in your area for next couple days this be the first time contacting you but I’ve been following you from day one and have been out doing research on tanks and how are they would sell and what my used to be I think I could benefit you greatly time is a constraint right now so I reiterate please respond asap and if there’s any processing we can work out on the couch have a wonderful day god bless you bye we are close by and very flexible good easy going peopleyou can reach us at phone number 907 617 7164 haha I am new to try to get ahold of you guys but I have been calling you since you were just a little blog online I have very passionate and also have about 10 other tanks sold in California and Washingtonplease response ASAP as with the holidays time is an issue

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  13. Posted by Trevor on October 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    Will you test samples if they are sent to you for thc/cbd content?

  14. Posted by Doug Bodnar on October 12, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    GW
    Awesome resource, thank you. Trying to find hoses, but not sure which will meet standards for using butane. Also not sure what can tapper to use. Can you point me in a direction. Any help is greatly appreciated.
    Doug

  15. Posted by Jc824 on September 27, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    Stuck on this site love it

  16. Be sure and follow @GrayWolf23 on twitter for updates.

  17. How long was it ran for? Also in your extraction notes for cold it says it can be decarbed later but you don’t mention the process, is it as simple as double boiler? How long though and what temp

  18. Hey GW,

    I was looking at your glycerin extraction and saw that it took around 60-120days and have had a thought. In the world of electronic cigarettes and people creating their own juice people use ultra sonic cleaners to put bottles of flavoring and other ingredients based upon vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol. The reason for this being is that those ingredients change on a molecular level melding with each other over time but the ultra sonic cleaner actually speeds that process up. I can’t describe the science behind it but I’ve used it with great success the rule of thumb I’ve been going by has been every 2weeks worth of waiting is 336minutes in the ultra sonic cleaner, do you think you could give that a whirl and try it out with the glycerin cold tincture. The UC does get warm because of the heat of the motor but It is no where near as hot as the hottest tap water (approx 150degrees F).

    • Vibration works. I used a vibratory shell ammo polisher to produce a dense extract cold in about a week,

      • I swore I clicked reply….. I was on my phone but now that I’m on my computer this “How long was it ran for? Also in your extraction notes for cold it says it can be decarbed later but you don’t mention the process, is it as simple as double boiler? How long though and what temp” was for a reply to this message instead of just posting randomly about in the about section…..

        • Solly bro, you are still on the About thread, and I don’t know for sure what you are talking about.

          • The glycerin extraction you were talking about in this chain of posts. I was asking how long you ran the vibratory shell ammo cleaner with a cold extraction and how you decarbed after that

          • I ran it a week in the vibrator and got a dark extract.

            We don’t decarboxylate all of our glycerin extracts, because it still has medicinal effects at the CB-2 receptors, even if it can’t pass the blood brain barrier to reach the CB-1 receptors,

            If we do decarboxylate it, I placed it in a 250F oil bath and watch the bubbles, while stirring to keep the bubbles rising.

  19. Posted by Ethan M on September 17, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Really awesome information. First time visitor to this site and it will certainly be my foremost provider of extraction information. Thank you for your contributions.

  20. Do u have a updated parts list?I was reading comments below the link u sent me.seems like a lot of parts have been switched.

  21. Posted by Rob on August 28, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Hello I love youe site. One of the best I ever came across. Im new to bho or co2 extraction and tissue sampling. Well looking into all of them but haven’t tried any let lol.i was wondering if u could point me in the right direction?should i go bho or co2?and what extractor should I build to do it?and im very interested in tissue culture also but its
    hard to find step by step directions on how to do it.

  22. Posted by hvacchad on August 16, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    Went to the bho class last week and got to meet some awesome people. My equipment is put together and ready for my first run 2mrw. Looking for real patients in real need in socal.

  23. Posted by ellison castellanos on August 14, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    god blees you guys and your efforts to make everyone more knowledgeable and safe keep up the good work! and how do i find your youtube channel?

  24. Posted by Niuveve on August 9, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    It’s so wonderful what you folks are doing with the pure intentions to help others become healthy and healed. God bless you folks with success, happiness, and many blessings to come your way. Thank you for all that you folks are doing to help others!

  25. Posted by Elizabeth on August 3, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    GREAT, GREAT page… so much info out there, but this is the best I’ve seen! Making my own medicines at home, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

  26. Posted by MB on July 18, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    I actually have 3 questions but just was not sure where to post them… First let me say thank you guys for what you are doing… I am a disabled veteran and your website has helped me develop an interest that helps ease my mind as well as introduce me to better forms of dealing with my disabilites

    1)Can you spray BHO directly into a pyrex with 192 Proof Alcohol? I tried this and it seemed to do a much better job of evaporatoing off the butane.

    2)After winterizing and beginning to purge the BHO, how do you know when the alcohol has all been evaporated? With the butane the bubbles stop but how do you know with alcohol.

    3)I would like to make canna caps using BHO and MCT oil or organic coconut oil… What BHO / Oil ratio should I be using for mederately strong doses for an average / heavy smoker?
    I also realize that a good decarb is key in making them as potent as possible. Should I decarb the starting material before making the BHO run or will the plant be able to decarb in the oil once the BHO is already made?

    Thank you for your assistance.

    • The average low tolerance person needs about 100 mg of pure cannabis oil for pain relief, an average tolerance about 200 Mg, and a heavy tolerance person about 300 Mg.

      The joker in the deck, is the ultra low tolerance person, who can get discombobulated by 50 Mg, so if we don’t know a persons tolerance, we start at 50 Mg and titrate up.

      We add about 3 grams of coconut oil to 10 grams of cannabis oil, in our HAOO and HS sublingual formulas. We also add other stuff to speed things up, but if you use that ratio it will work fine.

      It will give you a 76.9% mix, so for a 100 Mg dose, you would require 130 Mg of the mix.

      I find it easiest to decarboxylate the oil after winterizing. Check out http://skunkpharmresearch.com/decarboxylation/

  27. Posted by Alex on July 4, 2013 at 6:22 AM

    Wow thank you so much for all the PRECIOUS information. Sharing is caring and you guys are really amazing! Many many thanks!

  28. Posted by Ben on July 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Could i get contact info for purchasing a unit to do extractions?

  29. Posted by Bear on June 6, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    I happened across your site while researching iso-hexane purging, and noticed your slogan. My friend and I used to call our medication breaks on long bike rides “safety meetings”..

  30. Posted by seth gustin on June 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Need contact info to sign up for a class plaease.
    Seth

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  32. Posted by James Carrera on May 8, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    The safest solvent I have is that I’m comfortable using is everclear 151. I understand there is a lot if water in there. Am I missing out on any terpenes or important compounds not getting extracted. Can anyone clear this up for me. Thanks.

    • It will extract the terpenes, including the diterpene cannabinoids, but a lot of chlorophyll and water solubles as well.

      You have to get the oil hotter to get rid of the water, which will also drive off more mono and sesquiterpenes.

      Have you considered having some 190 proof shipped to you from http://www.winechateau.com/ ?

  33. Posted by nancy on May 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM

    Hi, I have a son with cancer and have a question y’all (yes I’m from the south!) might be best able to help me with. I can’t get any of the big extract companies to answer this: is it possible that when they use the supercritical CO2 extraction method for making extracts, that there are minute amounts of CO2 that are left on the product, even minute residuals? The reason I’m asking is they claim it’s a gas but I suspected it’s inbetween or even if a gas at pressure/temp they use it could still deposit the CO2. And I get it that we breathe it, but here’s the deal: he’s sedentary, had a rise in his CO2 levels this week for the first time so I wrote it off to being sedentary and narcotics (depressing the respiratory system). But I was about to order him his green tea extract from this company and noticed by happenstance this line on the product page where CO2 popped out at me. So I read that and saw how they do it (had no idea prior) and thought: hmmm, he’s been taking it daily for about a month and all of sudden has a rise in his CO2. Coincidence? Not sure. Before I buy him anything else using this method I need to find out if it could be this that is making his CO2 rise. The C/S people won’t tell you the truth – need a scientist or someone with tons of scientific knowledge. Came across your site, saw things that confirmed what I was thinking but wanted to make sure I wasn’t taking it out of context to fit my suspicions. Can you advise on the science and if you think it’s possible, using a product daily that is made this way could mean ingesting minute amounts of the liquid form of CO2? Thank you so much for reading all this and helping if you can.

    • If 100% of the gram or so of oil that he is taking a day for a RS cancer cure were C02, it wouldn’t be enough to account for any long term rise in blood C02.

      Cannabis drops my heart beat and respiratory rate, so my best guess is that your patient is breathing slower and shallower using cannabis, because they are more relaxed.

  34. Posted by Zach Rodgers on April 30, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Wow, im glad i stumbled on this blog…

    Im born and raised in Portland, Glad to see a company on the rise from my hometown roots. Im currently just a hobbyist finishing up my bach. degree here at Oregon State in Industrial Engineering. Im looking to get into the greenthumb/extraction field as a career once I graduate next year. It appears that you have very similar interests as myself. I look forward to getting a chance to look at all your methods and picking your brain!

    -Zach

  35. Posted by Gregg Holtzman on April 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    Is there someone I can contact about doing some consulting for a Colorado based MIP.

    Regards
    Gregg H

  36. Posted by Swazi-X on March 22, 2013 at 2:39 AM

    First off – many thanks for your work and especially for sharing it like you’re doing. This truly is making a difference for a lot of people in a lot of ways, all for the better. I’m a hobbyist in this field myself, always looking for what’s up next so I truly appreciate the knowledge and experience you offer.

    I’ve been using fresh, undried cannabis (frozen popcorn buds and/or frozen leaf from last harvest) in my daily smoothies (along with almonds, chia, blueberry, etc. – normal stuff) and I’ve noticed a pretty dramatic effect – especially using fresh buds.

    My energy level is much higher than before but it’s not a caffeine or speedy feeling, more of a general, controllable, comfortable type. I’m not particularly ambitious naturally but on days I use a bit of fresh bud (I have a limited supply from last season – before I realized the benefits) I find I get a lot more done and feel much better overall. I get a similar, but less intense feeling when using leaf alone, even though I use 4X the leaf than when I use popcorn buds.

    I was wondering if you folks have done any exploration looking at the effects of un-decarboxlyated cannabis? I always thought that it had no effect unless it was dried, but a video on YouTube (titled “Leaf”) got me thinking, then adding it to my smoothie and finally trying bud instead of juicing leaf.

    i’ve got some cannabis drug tests on the way in the mail, and I have a friend or two who don’t otherwise use cannabis so I’m going to do some tests to see if THCA registers on drug tests after drinking it in a smoothie like the de-carboxylated THC does after smoking.

    Science rules! :-)

    • Hi SX!

      That the carboxylic acid forms of cannabis exhibit medicinal effects, does on the surface seem to fly in the face of current thinking on the need to decarboxylate cannabis oil taken orally. It immediately opens the question as to whether the only reason for decarboxylation, is so that the THC can pass the blood brain barrier and get to its CB-1 receptors. Clearly the CB-2 scattered throughout our bodies are not protected, so the effects could be coming from the CBDA.

      For that reason I posted it on an international forum in the science section and besides the obvious blood brain barrier issue, it was pointed out that we continue to find new cannabinoid receptors scattered hither and yon in our bodies, so the medicinal effects of juicing fresh cannabis could be from those.

      The short answer is that I don’t know for sure. The short story is that one of our stomach and intestinal cancer patients couldn’t consume oil without passing blood, so he tried juicing using a wheat grass juicer and extended his predicted demise from 30/90 days, to over a year. I have seen that and enough other data to believe that there is something going on there, but I am not able to explain why for sure it is happening. We bought a wheat grass juicer and have added juicing to our list of thangs to check out in more depth.

  37. Posted by CannaBliss Liberty on March 20, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Hey GreyWolf, was rad to hear you on the High Noon broadcast. I was hanging off your every word. Always knowledge to be had from you. Thanks again on that.

    My question is this… is it possible to extract all the water soluble terp/flavinoids prior to extracting the non-polar terp/cannabinoids AND then recombine them afterwards?? The goal is to preserve ALL terp/flavinoids. Is this fractional distillation? Have you experimented with any process that achieves what i speak of??

    I keep dreaming about this concept…

    • Good question!

      The lighter mono and sesquiterpenes are usually harvested using dry steam, while the diterpenes and longer molecules like cannabis, require solvent removal.

      A solvent will also easily remove those terpenes, but separating them from that solvent without losing them, can be an issue.

      Water from condensing steam can also be an issue with some terpenes, so dry steam isn’t universally used on all lighter terpenes either.

      We’ve had good luck retaining intense levels of terpene content in our oils, by starting with fresh frozen green material, or lightly dried, while the levels of those terpenes are still high in the plant material itself. The lighter terpenes are for the most part alcohols, ethers, andehydes, ketones, esters, and carboxylic acids, that have high vapor pressure and cast off molecules even at ambient temperatures. The molecules colliding with our noses, is why we smell them and there is a reason that they are labeled aromatic hydrocarbons. The important point is that they also leave with the water during drying, and fully dried material will contain little of them.

      We don’t capture all of the terpenes, as evidenced by how the vacuum pump exhaust smells and how the pump oil soon reeks of terpenes. What we do is capture enough that in concentration, it dominates the flavor and smell of the oil.

  38. Posted by Dominique Coleman on March 12, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    Hi,
    Do you have a contact number?

  39. I have been working in the industry in CA for 10+ years. I have seen allot of quality products and learned allot of interesting things. This site is by far the best. Keep up the good work. Any chance I could work with you?

  40. Where are you located?

  41. We have learned so much from this site. We are forever grateful for all of your hard work and willingness to share information. We are better caregivers because of it. Our quality of life has improved beyond words. On behalf of the lives we have saved with the medicines you have helped teach us to make, we love you man!

    Uncle Pete

  42. Posted by Vince on February 17, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    Hey SPR,
    First of all let me say that this is hands down the best cannabis resource I have encountered online yet; one of the few gems out there in a landfill of misinformation. I’ve read every post and learned so much from almost every one.

    I am writing because I am very curious about the science behind drying and curing flowers. Specifically, what is the chemical process happening in a drying flower, and what about a proper cure makes cannabis so dank. I have read all sorts of methods and it seems like the basic consensus is just slower drying is better.

    What really made me decide to finally post to you guys is a discussion I had with an experienced grower who said that the sweet spot in drying is removing as much water as possible without evaporating too many terpenes. I remember reading on this website about how volatile all that good stuff is. Have you guys ever played with the idea of freeze-drying rather than traditional curing?

    Thanks again for this very valuable resource.

    -Vince

    • If you look at a gas chromatograph tracing, you will see that the lighter mono and sesquiterpenes come out of the end of the packed column first, followed by the heavier diterpene and triterpene canabinoids. That is also about the rate that they evaporate away when the material is dessicated.

      The reason that the lighter mono and sesquiterpenes smell so pungent, is that they are alcohols, ethers, aldehydes, ketones, esters, and carboxylic acids, which have such a high vapor pressure, that they are casting off molecules at ambient temperatures, which are colliding with our ofactory sensors.

      Fully dried material, contains very few remaining lighter terpenes, as they evaporate away with the water.

      What we do, is pull the fan leaves off our a plant and hang it upside down for 5 to 7 days, or until the small stems snap. We then trim the bud off the sticks and seal them in a canning jar for the remaining terpenes and water to soak the material uniformly. We periodically open the jars to allow moisture to escape, until the buds moisture content is uniform from the outside to the insides, at around 15%/20%. At that moisture/terpene content, when you open the jar, the aroma assaults your senses.

      • Posted by Vince on February 22, 2013 at 4:01 PM

        Wow thanks. That was a great answer and resolves questions I had always wondered such as why rehydrating flowers is never the same as the original goodness.

        Just to clarify, are you saying that you stop airing out your canning jars when the rH inside them reaches 15-20%? If so do you think it would be practical to build a a sensor-controlled exhaust periodically pumping air out of a sealed drying container? (And stops exhausting when it dips below 15-20% rH)

        One more thing! You mentioned that the lighter terpenes evaporate with water, so would water sublimating in a freeze dry process leave all of the desirable terpenes for maximum flavor?

        Thanks again!

  43. GW I LOVE this site. This is the first time, that I remember, seeing it.

    I’ve noticed your post on IC for a while and have noticed the great value you contribute toward our understanding of cannabis.

    Keep up the good work, please.

    Gersh Avery aka peanutbutter
    co founder of the cannabis cancer project of Michigan.

  44. Posted by Mark on January 23, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Hello Skunk Pharm Researchers. First, thank you for all of your work in the field of cannabis science. I, myself, am a biochemist who works in a Colorado infused products manufacturing company. Currently, the Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division is considering changing some rules relating to infused products, including hashes, hash oils, and “caviars” (cannabis flowers infused with cannabis extracts, concentrates, resins, and/ or aggregated trichomes). I have prepared a paper that (hopefully) will educate the regulators about cannabis components, cannabis extractions, and existing cannabis paradigms. I would be grateful if your group would consider proof reading this document and providing feedback, including any science or logic related errors, and ambiguities within, as well as any other comments or concerns this paper might raise. Even though it certainly does have an agenda, I want all of the facts, data, and concepts contained therein to be as accurate and straight forward as possible. Please contact me at the included email address if you would like to help.
    Thank you again.

    • We would be happy to proof read your paper for you. You can send a copy to Graywolf@skunkpharmresearch.com.

      Peace brother!

      GW

    • Posted by Fishermanjoe on January 24, 2013 at 10:06 PM

      It would be great to have access to this sort of summary on both state of the art and especially DIY approaches to extract production and related therapies. Hopefully a document like this could help educate the Massachusetts Dept. of Public Health as they create MMJ guidelines for our state. My concern is that when they define the allowable quantities for posession and cultivation, they may not consider the fact that many of the most important and obviously medically necessary therapies use extracts. Until May, when the guidelines are published, approved patients can grow or posess a “60 day supply”… But who knows how they will define that quantity. Considering the larger amounts of cannabis needed for some of these processes, I worry that some patients may not be permitted to posess enough

  45. Posted by M C on January 2, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    Is there a great little set of images somewhere to show what everyone means by budder, wax, shatter, funky junk, magic crystals, wonder flakes (TM), etc ??

  46. Posted by M C on January 2, 2013 at 7:56 AM

    I extract with the butane, (brand preferences everyone?), hot pot purge, vac purge, wash out of pyrex with methanol and either A: jar, freeze, filter, pour out onto glass sheets in a warm room for 8 hours or so then scrapety scrape it up or B: just wash out of pyrex and pour out onto sheets for same treatment. I do like the winterize version better due to less super sticky and “shatter” properties. I am thinking of putting together an atomizer to spray the extract while in solution in the methanol, instead of pouring onto flat glass. That would dry super fast and should avoid the scrapety scrape action.

    • Sounds like an interesting experiment! Hope you will share the results!

      • Posted by M C on January 4, 2013 at 6:45 PM

        Are there any potential problems with my method due to dealing with the methanol?

        Results of winterize vs no winterize vary according to strain of course, but generally winterized gives me a more stable product that will stay in crystal/flake form more easily. When I have scraped up the non winterized a little soon and in a warm room, given an hour or so and it goes right back into solid amber sticky lumps, that will harden up and “shatter” if cooled off (60 deg or so). If the shatter is cool, I can pick it up and snap it apart with my hands if I move fast. Move slow, it bends and sticks.
        I have ethanol on the way and am interested to see the difference in working with it. Can’t seem to find high power everclear anywhere, just the weaker version. Too much water.

        • The issues that I see with methanol vis a vis ethanol, is that methanol is more explosive when finely atomized and mixed with air, so such a system would have to keep the mixture below lower limit ignition rates to be safe.

          I also prefer the taste and smell of material extracted with ethanol, vis a vis methanol. Methanol extracted flavors are not as delicate in taste as that using ethanol, though the methanol extracts may still be delightful.

          If you are located where 190 proof isn’t stocked, check out http://www.winechateau.com/, who will ship pretty much anywhere, as their price includes the federal taxes.

  47. Posted by M C on January 1, 2013 at 4:32 AM

    Why Ethanol instead of methanol for washes and winterizing?

    • Either will work. Methanol is more aggressive than ethanol, requiring more care and shorter washes, and still extracts more undesirables.

      We also make meds for others and most are more comfortable ingesting an ethanol extract than a methanol one, because of toxicity issues when improperly purged.

  48. Posted by michael on December 23, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    so i have been purging no problem making perfect “shatter” for quite sometime… i notice that certain strands seem to “butter” up unless i add extra heat and some require less heat to purge and don’t butter at all? btw i use the vacuum method but i scrape my oil into my dish before i start purging since i dont have a vacuum chamber big enough for the pyrex dish.. any way the reason why i am posting is because i have come across a strand that does something super weird. i purge it and it goes glassy like usual.. then i do my usual final purge to make sure ALL the bubbles are out and BAM!!! it turns to butter! now i have to apply even more heat and its taking forever… i eventually just gave up and now this batch is yellow instead of clear yellow. please explain why this is happening… i have ran this strand three times now with same results

    • Alas, I’ve only made wax by accident too, because we have focused on orals and topicals, using absolute amber for vaporizing. I’ve also heard no good scientific explaination of exactly what is happening when it budders.

      I have noticed that it is more common in the 130/160F temperature range, and outdoors humidity seems to have an effect. I have long suspected an emmulsion, but have been assured that I don’t know what I’m talking about, so don’t take that as gospel.

      PS: Now that our new lab is complete, in FY 2013 we will be focusing on experiments, one of which is better understanding things like self buddering, etc. When we figure it out, I will report back, and in the interim, if any of ya’ll other brothers and sisters already has the answer, I await with rapt attention and hope ya’ll will share!

      • Posted by michael on December 23, 2012 at 8:56 AM

        ok well maybe i can help you out with my research because so far this is the only strand that is stumping me… btw its a strand of OG kush… but anyways from what i have found the more sativa it is the lower you have to run the purge temp and the more indica the higher temp you have to have purge… but usually when i run og it turns a run like a sativa… i still have this strand and saved it so i can do four more runs and really try and throw some variables in and keep some constants so hopefully i can figure this out before 2013 and let you know lol… sure do wish i had a lab for all this stuff!

        • Posted by michael on December 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM

          p.s. i forgot to mention one more question… if i purged it to a point of clearness and then it budders.. thats not butane right? i noticed in your site that there are CO2 bubbles… is that what this is? and is CO2 bad for you?

          • If it budders after the random sized bubbling ceases, I think it is safe to say that it is not butane.

            The C02 bubbles are from decarboxylation and CO2 is not toxic at those levels. We breath it out with every breath, and drink it in our sodas at higher levels.

        • Thanks for sharing that insight! What temperature ranges works best for you?

          • Posted by michael on December 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

            OMG I HAVE IT FIGURED OUT I THINK!!!!!!! I WILL KNOW BY THE NEXT RUN FOR SURE…. so first to answer that question… with sour diesel and straight sativas i never really find myself going about 150 for my purge or it starts bubbling way to much and loses alot of flavor (aka over purge) with this strand that has been killing me i have had to keep it at 180 and at first 200!!!! i was scared to even let it get the high!!! but this time as it cooled down from 180 i kept stirring it up to make sure to get the corners good but instead of keeping it hot i let it cool once i thought it was fully purged (i considered mine purged when i stir it and instead of bubbling u see little sink holes in little places like air pockets). since i am jumping around everywhere so excited let me clarify lol… once it is fully purged i stirred it around and kept putting it back into the vacuum chamber and as it lowered it turned more and more buddery!!!!!!!!!! bam baby!!!! i think its safe to say im one of the masters!!!!! :) all i need is a lab.. think i can send my stuff to you and you can tell me my percents???

          • Hi Michael,

            Good job and thanks for sharing!

            We just got our gas chromatograph installed and running, so don’t have our process developed yet. Once we do, we aren’t in the business of selling gas chromatograph services, but if you are an Oregon OMMP patient and drop by with a sample, we will be happy to corroborate with you on wax experiments and run some analysis.

  49. Ahh yes i have seen the picture of that. How much is your desiccator worth?
    I have another big question. If i winterize my bho, what is the ratio of ethanol to bho should i be using AND can i boil of the ethanol inside the vac?? is there any danger to doing that?? thanks so much for your time and effort. Greatly appreciated.

    • We bought the dessicator used for $200.

      About 10:1.

      Yes you can boil in a vacuum. You will need a cold trap in front of your pump, to keep from diluting the crankcase.

      • Posted by Ben on December 22, 2012 at 5:51 PM

        Thanks a ton for the response. So if using a vacuum to boil off the ethanol then you only need ambient or slight above for temperature? Otherwise 173f is need for the ethanol to be purged.. correct? In which case terps would be lost. I assume you cats use the cold trap and just boil of the ethanol in the desiccator rather then before using it. thanks again. Love all the info and responses you give to everyone.

        • We use different methods to remove the alcohol, depending on end use.

          We boil some off, and vacuum off others. When using a vacuum, we like about 115F to keep the oil soft enough for the bubbles to escape, but you can vacuum off most of the alcohol at ambient, and then crank up the temperature to 115F for final purge.

          • Thank you good sir. I am looking into a cold trap. Any recommendations for type and cost and website, would be greatly appreciated. There are many options it seems.
            If i wanted to vac purge AFTER boiling off the ethanol on a hot plate/griddle, does that present any problems? i am assuming it does not (except terpenoids).
            While i am asking, what are your recommendations for a vac pump. I am needing to upgrade, as i only have a 2.5 cfm single stage. Thanks again.

          • We have made our own cold traps using two Erlenmeyer vacuum flasks in series in an ice bath, and it works, but we reclaim less alcohol than when using a simple pot still, and we still get some crankcase dilution. What we need, is more surface area, or a greater delta T (temperature) difference.

            A greater Delta T can be achieved using liquid nitrogen, or a slurry of dry ice and a solvent like alcohol or acetone for the bath.
            Because liquid N2 and dry ice are relatively expensive, I plan to build our own cold trap, using ice water and lots of surface area, so as to improve solvent recovery rates. I’ll post the design when I do.

            No problems vacuum purging after boiling off the solvent. As you noted, it is at the expense of the lighter terpenoids.

            We use a couple of different pumps. One is a surplus military MASH vane pump, and the other is a 6.2 cfm single stage vane pump for roughing. We also have a 5 cfm two stage, but the higher vacuum isn’t needed and it is slower.

            You can also use water faucet vacuum aspirators, and I have picked up a surplus GAST hydraulic motor, in which I’ve replaced the oil bath bearings with sealed bearings and the steel vanes, with Micarta vanes. I plan to drive it electrically and use it for rough evaporation, before switching to the high vacuum pump for finish.

          • Posted by bdforever on December 26, 2012 at 2:52 PM

            >>A greater Delta T can be achieved using liquid nitrogen, or a slurry of dry ice and a solvent like alcohol or acetone for the bath.<<
            That sounds quite expensive. Wouldn't it be easier to change the pump oil more frequently? The spent oil could be reclaimed by boiling off the alcohol at a higher temperature.
            Things would be easier by using a solvent which boils at a lower temperature, such as (petroleum) ether.

          • It is expensive, which is why we are opting to build our own high surface area cold trap condenser, which doesn’t need liquid nitrogen or dry ice.

            There are of course folks already testing the theory of frequent oil changes, but as the oil doesn’t suddenly become inadequate, you are operating part of the time with the oil less than optimum and wear is increased during that time. Mostly those folks buy cheap pumps and replace them more often.

            Vacuuming off petroleum ether will also dilute the crank case.

  50. Howdy! Again, thanks for sharing so much. I am not sure where to post, what with all the great threads, but I would like to break down my process and get schooled.
    I am a patient, out of work for some time and in a variety of financial binds, so I have been getting more involved in my local co-op as I have time and feel at home.
    I am processing quality trim and seeded plant material that I receive cured and bagged for an unknown amount of time. I put it through a #10 screen, then pack a glass column (1 1/4″ id, 20″ long) with; coffee filter, material, coffee filter, stainless screen w/ hose clamp.
    I have a pyrex bowl in an oil bath at around 200 deg F (I say around due to the cheapo hot plate I have). I run about 20 oz butane through the column at room temp, not pre-freezing. I let the butane purge until the goop is pretty thick, close the pressure pot, hit the vacuum.
    Now, the vacuum setup is also low budget (what with the no money and all). I have a high pressure paint pot with in and out ports and a big clamp on rubber sealed lid that is my tank. No glass view. One port goes to my Harbor Freight pump direct, no vapor trap bottle deal, the other port to the gauge. I run the pump to about 27″, it does not go lower, at about 175 to 200 deg. No matter how long, I always have more bubbles.
    I started asking around at the co-op market about process, temp, strains, etc to figure out what was going on.
    What an amazing variety of answers!
    The very first run I did with this process gave me what I guess is “ear wax”. The bowl had crazy root/thread/web things in it made of the resin when I opened the chamber. When scraped, it was a light brown, opaque waxy stuff.
    Some folks liked it, some said “only shatter, please”. One said it was full of butane and made him sick. ?? Butane=Non toxic, sick? Allergy?
    He, however, also had no meds to return, claiming to have purged correctly and consumed, but wanted his donation back.
    I have pics, if I can post.
    Next run, same process, same strain, more like the shatter result, but green tinted. I ended up passing a light torch flame over it until no bubbles to make sure of a purge.

    These runs have given me about a 19% return, around normal. The run I just did, different strain, but same method gave me a very low yield. But I also heated the crap out of it for 10 hours to make sure of a purge after the “I got sick” story.
    I kept seeing little sparkly bubbles when the oil is up at around 200 and I roll the oil around in the glass pan.
    I kept asking around if there were other things that would bubble out of the oil as well, meaning I was going over board. No info.
    I read on this site somewhere last night that after the butane is gone, at higher heat CO2 starts boiling off from the de-carb process, which is not needed is using meds to vaporize. The problem is the technical term “little fizzy bubbles” Not sure how little is little, and how fizzy is fizzy, but I am pretty sure I am going over board as the initial product is nice light gold green, then the final cooked stuff is kinda mossy colored. Common requests are for a lighter product.

    My first runs did not give me so much green as this one, but I also switched butane brands.
    This last run gave me back less than 10 percent, and the material was just as high of a quality as the previous batches.

    Are you guys near Seattle? I see references to the NW, but not an actual location. Are you doing classes? Can I come and look at some test gear and figure out what I am doing right and wrong?

    The odd thing is I have a lamp working studio and a metal shop at my disposal, and many years fabrication experience, but I am unable to procure many of the industrial parts I know would make a better system. The build know how, the lack of funds. Same old prob.

    I do not however have any real lab experience. Do I have to have a vapor trap to properly purge? Or is that just to save the pump life?
    I am trying to figure out a way to control the heat accurately, on a budget as well. I may be able to canibalize a kiln for a thermo-couple and a controller to read the temp more accurately, but they are 220v, unlike my little hotplate.

    Once I dial this in, I can move on to Salvia and other interesting extracts and refinements.

    Well, that is a lot of rambling. I gotta get back into the tent and set up another grow table, transfer seedlings, move clay pellets, adjust nutrients, and finish welding some guys jousting armor.

    Z.L.E.P.
    (Zombie-Land Ethnobotanical Pharmacopoeia)
    formerly Zombie-Land Armory–

    C ya

    • Submitted on 2012/12/11 at 11:54 AM
      Howdy! Again, thanks for sharing so much. I am not sure where to post, what with all the great threads, but I would like to break down my process and get schooled.
      I am a patient, out of work for some time and in a variety of financial binds, so I have been getting more involved in my local co-op as I have time and feel at home.
      I am processing quality trim and seeded plant material that I receive cured and bagged for an unknown amount of time. I put it through a #10 screen, then pack a glass column (1 1/4″ id, 20″ long) with; coffee filter, material, coffee filter, stainless screen w/ hose clamp.

      More efficient with a smaller diameter tube, but a minor issue at 1 1/4″. We use 1″ max ID.

      I have a pyrex bowl in an oil bath at around 200 deg F (I say around due to the cheapo hot plate I have).

      Drop to about ~130F.

      I run about 20 oz butane through the column at room temp, not pre-freezing. I let the butane purge until the goop is pretty thick, close the pressure pot, hit the vacuum.
      Now, the vacuum setup is also low budget (what with the no money and all). I have a high pressure paint pot with in and out ports and a big clamp on rubber sealed lid that is my tank.

      No glass view. One port goes to my Harbor Freight pump direct, no vapor trap bottle deal, the other port to the gauge.
      I run the pump to about 27″, it does not go lower, at about 175 to 200 deg. No matter how long, I always have more bubbles.

      Drop the temperature to 115F. You are decarboxylating at 175/200F.

      I started asking around at the co-op market about process, temp, strains, etc to figure out what was going on
      What an amazing variety of answers!
      The very first run I did with this process gave me what I guess is “ear wax”. The bowl had crazy root/thread/web things in it made of the resin when I opened the chamber.
      When scraped, it was a light brown, opaque waxy stuff.
      Some folks liked it, some said “only shatter, please”. One said it was full of butane and made him sick. ?? Butane=Non toxic, sick? Allergy?
      He, however, also had no meds to return, claiming to have purged correctly and consumed, but wanted his donation back.

      Ummmmmmmmmm, maybe not a reliable source of information? Did they say what heroic measures they had to take to save it?

      If I can’t taste the butane myself, my confidence in others who say they can, is diminished. Who knows what flavor they might be tasting and identifying as butane?

      I have pics, if I can post. Next run, same process, same strain, more like the shatter result, but green tinted. I ended up passing a light torch flame over it until no bubbles to make sure of a purge.

      The light green tint is from water solubles and chlorophyll. It can come from wet butane, over washing, or excessively beating the material up before extraction, so that the chlorophyll is exposed. Was the material run through a Trimpro when it was manicured?

      These runs have given me about a 19% return, around normal. The run I just did, different strain, but same method gave me a very low yield.
      But I also heated the crap out of it for 10 hours to make sure of a purge after the “I got sick” story.
      I kept seeing little sparkly bubbles when the oil is up at around 200 and I roll the oil around in the glass pan.
      I kept asking around if there were other things that would bubble out of the oil as well, meaning I was going over board. No info.
      CO2, terpenes, and water vapor will come off the oil at 200F. Sparkles and sizzle are usually signs of water pickup.
      I read on this site somewhere last night that after the butane is gone, at higher heat CO2 starts boiling off from the de-carb process, which is not needed is using meds to vaporize.

      True story!

      The problem is the technical term “little fizzy bubbles” Not sure how little is little, and how fizzy is fizzy, but I am pretty sure I am going over board as the initial product is nice light gold green, then the final cooked stuff is kinda mossy colored. Common requests are for a lighter product.

      The fizzy bubbles are very small, all the same sized, and packed close together. The solvent bubbles are random sized and some quite large.

      My first runs did not give me so much green as this one, but I also switched butane brands.
      This last run gave me back less than 10 percent, and the material was just as high of a quality as the previous batches.
      Are you guys near Seattle? I see references to the NW, but not an actual location. Are you doing classes? Can I come and look at some test gear and figure out what I am doing right and wrong?

      We are in Portland, where you are welcome to visit for show and tell.

      The odd thing is I have a lamp working studio and a metal shop at my disposal, and many years fabrication experience, but I am unable to procure many of the industrial parts I know would make a better system. The build know how, the lack of funds. Same old prob.
      I do not however have any real lab experience. Do I have to have a vapor trap to properly purge? Or is that just to save the pump life?
      The vapor trap is to save the pump. It will purge fine without it.
      I am trying to figure out a way to control the heat accurately, on a budget as well. I may be able to canibalize a kiln for a thermo-couple and a controller to read the temp more accurately, but they are 220v, unlike my little hotplate.

      We use a Corning Scholar 170 hotplate inside a glass vacuum dessicator.

      Once I dial this in, I can move on to Salvia and other interesting extracts and refinements.
      Well, that is a lot of rambling. I gotta get back into the tent and set up another grow table, transfer seedlings, move clay pellets, adjust nutrients, and finish welding some guys jousting armor.
      Z.L.E.P.
      (Zombie-Land Ethnobotanical Pharmacopoeia)
      formerly Zombie-Land Armory–
      C ya

      • So the Corning Scholar 170 goes inside the Glass Vacuum Desiccator under purge?? What about the cord from the hot plate??? thanks

        • I run it out through a hole in the stopper.

          • Posted by frank jones on May 9, 2013 at 9:48 PM

            just wondering if ya have the time to say what size this glass dessicator
            is? im wanting the samr set up as I want to follow your teaching using
            as much of the same gear
            thanks
            frank

          • It has about a 10″ ID, but if you are starting from scratch, I would suggest considering using a large enough chamber to hold a 10″ Pyrex pie plate. A 6″ Petri dish is fine for experiments, but you can’t process much volume.

  51. Posted by One Sun on December 8, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    I’m ready to sign up for class as soon as it becomes available. Thanks for all your work and sharing with all of us.

  52. Posted by Ben on December 2, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    Hey Greywolf, just like everyone else here, really wanting to get you down where i live (canada) for some classes. I am a med patient and i have a community of patients and growers/caregivers and i would love to have you down for some classes. Thanks for all the killer work and science. You have made my extractions and my thoughts/analyzing a hell of a lot easier.

    • Thanks for the good thoughts bro; I’m pleased that the techniques are working out for you!

      Maybe classes over the hill and far away, after we get our’s going again locally. So far this year, we have been tied up with building projects and have only done one.

  53. Posted by Xivanari on November 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Hey Greywolf, I have been a huge follower of SkunkPharm for some time now, and really appreciate all the work you have done for us all in terms of being the forefront of knowledge and testing in the field of great Honey :D

    As you may or may not have heard, some people these days are using oil slick pads or parchment paper to extract onto, because of how laborious a process scraping up your oil can be using a razor on pyrex. However both the silicone oil slick pads and the parchment paper or wax paper, if blown directly onto, will leave horrible residues behind in your oil, which is unacceptable.
    I had an accident the other day, which I was wondering if you could help me reflect upon and consider. I was doing a small 10g test run onto a corelle (vitrelle) bowl, which I have done over a thousand times before, and had pre-heated the bowl by placing it on another bowl which was filled with just boiled (5 mins before) water. Because it was very cold outside, so the butane was extra cold, and because I freeze the extractor and the material prior to a run each time, the environment which the hot plate was faced with became suddenly too cold and some prior weak point in the bowl gave way, and the whole bowl shattered, and I watched as all the oil i had run fell into the water, along with the shards of the bowl. BUT! The bowl shards sank, and the oil did not! In fact, when it came time to remove the oil from the water, (i left it for a whole day outside in the freezing cold) the oil had hardened and completely separated from the water, and was extraordinarily easy and labor-free to remove :D I am still drying it at room tempurature, and hope that no water will end up trapped in the final product after I vaccuum it later, as it currently crackles when it hits the Ti nail.

    I am wondering if this wouldnt be a new and perhaps easier way of purging and harvesting your oil; directly into water where it will float and stay separated? Also, wouldnt the water leech the chlorophyll or any possible waxes from the finished product? The shatter I ended up with is absolutely divine.

    Please, let me know what you think, looking forward to hearing from you.

    • Discharging directly into water has been around awhile, and we did try it early on, but didn’t pursue it beyond our initial experiments, for a couple of reasons.

      Many of the terpenes that we are trying to retain, have some water solubility, and they boil off after forming an azeotrope with the water.

      In addition, if all of the water isn’t removed, the oil will oxidize faster.

      As you note, crackle and flame scintillation is a good indicator of the presence or absence of water. Not only does the burning oil crackle, but the yellow flame dances and flares.

      Good to see you paying attention to new possibilites and doing a little experimentation of your own! That’s how we find new stuff!

  54. Posted by Brandon on November 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    Great work guys!! Would love to get in contact with you guys as I currently am overseeing for 7 patients here in Oregon and would love to have some help in my process of learning how to properly purge BHO.

  55. Where’s Joe’s page his work sounds very interesting

    • I dont have a dedicated page. Mostly because I spout out a bunch of scientific gobblygook and Greywolf winds up having to translate it into english. He’s getting up there in years so I try not to overburden him. If you have a question pertaining to biology or chemistry feel free to shoot me an email joeoakes@skunkpharmresearch.com and I’ll try and get back to you in a reasonable amount of time.

  56. Posted by james on September 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    GreyWolf-

    Hello is there an email or phone number I can contact you about purchasing a recycling machine. I would be able to fly down if you could demo the machine, or have you flown down to Colorado. Just let me know, in a crunch for time and would rather use your machine then this other company nexes meds that sales a inferior product. please contact me today if you can.
    Thanks for your time,
    ChemJames
    mmjpatient@ymail.com
    7203641248

    • You can reach me at graywolfslair1@gmail.com.

      We are a research facility, who doesn’t manufacture anything for sale, but I have been negotiating with a couple different folks who would like to build our designs for sale, or offer them in kit form at an affordable price.

      I expect that to bear fruit soon and will provide links to their sites, when it comes to pass.

      As I have provided free plans for the extractors on this site and others, anyone can of course start building them for sale, but we are attempting to license someone who won’t charge usury prices.

      I have also provided pro bono support to several people building their own Terpenators and Lil Terps, if you want to assemble one yourself. There are very few modified parts, with most of the components just screwing together.

      GW

  57. Posted by Dillan on September 23, 2012 at 10:19 PM

    Where is a good place on the site to document my battle with Hodgkin’s lymphoma?

  58. Posted by Marc on September 19, 2012 at 12:33 AM

    I finally found the website we have all been wanting! Thank you GW and Skunkpharm Research. I am an OMMP and figure my last resort is to try and make the topical oil I have heard about. Is this type of oil butane extracted? Any advice is greatly appreciated!!!! I just can’t function on 4 hrs of sleep a night…. Thanks again, Marc

    • Hi Marc, thanks for your good thoughts!

      Either BHO or a quick wash alcohol will work for HAOT and we use both. We use only quick wash with alcohol, so as not to pick up chlorophyll, which will be left behind on the skin and stain your clothes. We winterize the extraction to remove the waxes, so that they aren’t left behind either, and decarboxylate. Details and formula at:

      http://skunkpharmresearch.com/holy-anointing-oil-and-holy-shit/

      Good luck!
      GW

      • Posted by Marc on September 22, 2012 at 9:20 AM

        Thank you GW, so I have been seeing some really great looking oil on the net and I just can’t seem to get the texture I’m looking for…… It’s a dark amber shatter almost taffy state…… The softer lighter golden is what I would prefer. I use Newport butane and vacuum purge… Maybe, I’m not heating up enough or vacuuming long enough….. I also am using material from last year…….. Maybe I can just attend one of your extraction classes!!!!!!!!

        • Hoping you will attend one of our classes, which should commence again soon, as our new shack comes on line. We will post the schedule, once we work one out.

          Fresher material produces the lightest color resin and heat darkens it. I get the purdiest light yellows with fresh frozen material, that I extract with no heat, and purge under vacuum, keeping the heat at 115F max.

          • Posted by Marc on September 23, 2012 at 9:32 AM

            GWreat, thank you and I will definitely be waiting for the schedule. I have been using way too much heat………

  59. Posted by painretreat on September 6, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    Hi Graywolf and Skunk Labs, very interesting site. Certainly, the first TRUE patient oriented sight, I’ve seen. Reps to you! I stopped all steroid and opiate use with Cannabis, started in ’08. The long-acting ones, were really difficult to stop.
    Now, after years of little or no pain control. I started using more cannabis, as my situation allowed with more pain, the past 9 mos. or so.
    I was recently diagnosed with M.S. and was looking for an area here, about it???
    One thing I know for sure, there is no place, here in CA doing what you are. If they are, and I was a fairly active ‘activist’ they scurry under their closets for patients with sudden increased needs for RSO or plant material to make it.

    Have always read and respected your posts, elsewhere and now, that I see what you are up to!

    I SUGGEST YOU START A NATIONWIDE PROGRAM!!! AND SPREAD THE HEART. I’ve been rather disappointed in the “Greed” I’ve seen with MMJ and patients in need! You and one very kind young man, on another site..have re-warmed my heart, with the true spirit of the Flowers!!! Thanks for continuing this work.

    I never used, other than extremely rarely, until I choose to use MMJ to get off, Opiates (long acting), Klonopin, Doxepin, Paxil, Epidurals with steroids–under flouroscopy-every 3 mos. for 17 years, I could go on, but I think ppl know what modern day medicine offers.

    This IS A VERY HAPPY PLACE HERE. Skunk Lab forever!! pr

    • Thanks for your good thoughts bro and hope you find some useful information!

      Good idea, and I wish I had the energy to start a national program, but I’m old and worn out and don’t. I can barely keep up with the one we have, but do associate with other folks and groups paying it forward, so the good news is that it isn’t just us.

      All any of us can do, is be the change that we desire and preach and I feel fortunate to find myself in a position to share freely in my dotage. Ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    • Posted by Sppete13 on March 9, 2013 at 10:31 AM

      Im in San Francisco Cali…. and am almost set up to produce SPR Holy Shit orals FREE for cancer patients and any end of life patients….

      Graywolf can give you my contact info after I am up and running…

      I have committed that Half of everything that goes through my MKIIIA is made into medicine for these types of patients….

  60. Posted by alex on August 27, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    Very nice blog, and appreciate your scientific approach. Quick question (probably long answer!)
    Is C02 super-critically extracted oil any better that BHO?
    Thank you in advance for your help.

    • Posted by alex on August 27, 2012 at 1:11 PM

      GW, woops, I actually just saw that you have a whole post dedicated to this….
      Anyway, still curious as to hearing your professional opinions, and I do understand that the original question was slightly ambiguous, but I wanted to leave it open to any interpretation.
      Thank you again!

    • Thanks for the kudos bro!

      We would have to define better for me to have an opinion on whether CO2 SCFE oil is any better than BHO. It is most certainly different.

      Ostensibly, being able to fine tune an extraction using SCFE would offer strong advantages in targeting specific molecules, but thus far it looks like cannabis’s medicinal effects are due to the entourage effect of all it terpenes, including the cannabinoid diterpenes. Thus targeting a specific molecule offers less advantages, and may include some disadvantages.

      What I’m also finding, is that the best cannabis essential oils CO2 SCFE extractions thus far by professionals on professional equipment, involves adding co-solvents like alcohols or alkanes.

      What I see both CO2 SCFE and BHO extraction as, is different tools in the same tool box. Both have a lot of promise, but quality depend on the details.

      • Posted by alex on August 27, 2012 at 3:31 PM

        Thank you for the quick response. Very interesting indeed!
        I know of a dispensary in CO using one of the Eden Labs machines for SCFE.

        I’m going to bother them a little bit more and dig into their research. At least now I’m powered with some more knowledge and useful questions.

        This site is an excellent resource, glad to have found it :)
        Will circle back here in a few days with the findings and most certainly with more questions!

        Thank you again.

  61. Posted by J Smith on August 25, 2012 at 9:44 AM

    I love your website. It’s great. I have a requests…

    It would be great to figure out what in Hex honey oil is turning the product dark brown/black, wheres in BHO it stays a golden color.

  62. Posted by bd on August 8, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    I should hate you :-)
    You have all the ideas I ever had and your solution to my problems is so ridiculously elegant that I feel a bit like an idiot.
    But in fact, I am deeply impressed. Thanks an awfull lot for sharing your knowledge!

  63. Posted by Ok_nobody on August 3, 2012 at 9:23 AM

    Just leaving a note to volunteer for whatever test panels you have coming up.

  64. Posted by Rusty on July 27, 2012 at 6:10 AM

    Thank you guys again for the great information. This oil that I have tried has been a true miracle for Crohn’s disease. I only received 1 syringe and it is almost empty. I am going to try higher doses when I can. I land in Portland August 21 and can’t wait to be legal temporarily. How would I go about contacting you people when I arrive?

    Rusty

    • Check your e-mail.

      GW

      • Posted by Rusty on August 4, 2012 at 7:33 AM

        Thanks. Hope we can meet up sometime while I am there. By the way, I am continuing to use the oil for relief of Crohn’s symptoms and it is truly amazing. I was having severe abdominal cramping recently and tried vaporizing a bit. Cramping stopped immediately. I will most definitely need to get some kind of vaporizing eqipment. My hack job steel tube/screen rig is not very efficient!

        • We look forward to tea and crumpets while you’re visiting River City!

          Good news on the oil! Holy Shit sublingual and vaporizing are the two most effective methods for me personally.

          If you haven’t found a good oil rig beforehand, perhaps we can help you find one while you are here. Soon we also hope to have a resources thread on this site, with links to vendors who we use, and who not only meet our quality and service standards, but discount heavily to our followers.

          GW

          • Posted by Rusty on August 27, 2012 at 1:49 PM

            JD and Carla,

            Thank you so much for the hospitality during my trip to Oregon. What you are doing is truly amazing. I was blown away with the small amount of information that I was able to absorb in my short time there. Thank you for introducing me to sushi! Once I figured out chopsticks I was fine. I would probably be dissatisfied with the sushi here in Wisconsin compared to what I had there. I will stay in touch and keep you up on my unbelievable progress using oil for the Crohn’s disease.

            Take Care, Rusty

          • You are most welcome brother Rusty and pleased to hear you made it home safely!

            Yes, we are fortunate to have some Japanese imigrants who opened up sushi bars here! Their skills sure keep a smile on my face!

            Pleased that your condition responded well to cannabis oil and looking forward to hearing more about your progress!

            GW

          • Hey Rusty,It was a delight to meet and spend time with you. you are proactive in your approach and i admire that. you will find miraculous results with cannabis, no matter the form.

            we were happy to share sushi with you, it is a personal favorite. and stick only improve with time. if you locate a popular sushi bar where the fish turns fast, you may be pleased.

            my best to you and yours, ES

  65. Posted by Rusty on July 14, 2012 at 6:11 AM

    Hello again, I posted here last week about rsoil for treating symptoms of crohn’s disease. Funny thing, I returned from a camping trip to find a small anonymous package at my home. Turned out to be a sample of oil. All I can say is I took a pea size drop on my finger before bed and had the first night I can remember in a long time that I did NOT shit myself during sleep. Is this just a coincidence? I will know by tomarrow morning but I think not. I think I know who sent it to me and they are what compassion is about.

    Rusty

  66. Posted by Rusty on July 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    Hello I have severe crohn’s disease and have read about rsoil being very helpful. I am flying to Oregon in August to see a doctor and get my card. I am living in Wisconsin and have no access to meds due to backwards laws here. I hope this oil works as well for me as it has for others.Be sure that I will shout out if this helps me. Doctors will here about it.

    • The good news is that Crohn’s appears to respond favorably to cannabis essential oils. I personally know an OMMP patient with severe Crohn’s, whom oral cannabis oil has helped tremendously, and have talked to or read of a number of others, so I predict that your odds are good.

      Once you have your card, if your Oregon quest brings you to Portland, touch base and we will provide you samples to try and show you how to make it yourself.

      • Posted by Rusty on July 9, 2012 at 7:21 AM

        Thank you much. I have found people through the Oregon Cannabis Compassion website that have been very helpful also. I am planning to fly into Portland in late August. I have an appointment at Aurora clinic to see a doctor to get a medical recommendation. I am excited to try a treatment that shows so much promise. Thanks again!!

        Rusty

  67. Hi Skunk Pharm crew

    No doubt that is the best and most knowledgeable cannabis site.

    Thank you for your work patience and efforts.

    Alex.

  68. thanks, hooked up with a shop in Oregon – they are sending me all the paperwork – I’m going to get Md residency (they’ve passed a law that Med Marijuana patients can not be charged – I’ll have a friend living in Ore.be a caretaker in Oregon – thanks again – Tommy

  69. unfortunately, Pennsylvania – but I live about 15 miles from the Md line – if Md goes, I’ll move – till then, my best shot is a trial – thanks, bro for the thought

  70. hi, I am diagnosed with Multiple System Atrophy, an incurable, progressive disease – I have discussed the use of cannabinoids with Dr Neta Rimmerman and Dr Ewa Koeola of The Weizman Int in Israel (google them) – also, I had correspondence with Dr Ide, who will be publishing abstracts this summer on research he is doing on MSA brains from Columbia Brain Bank – now to my purpose – Dr Bob, Cannabis Science, believes I would benefit from oil extract – with S. 2113, the Transforming the Regulatory Environment to Accelerate Access to Treatments (TREAT) Act coming out of committee in the Senate, I believe that a trial based on the ladies studies in Israel, Dr Ide’s, and the study out of Spain (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22342378) showing cannabinoids slowing/stopping progression in mice with MS – do you know of anyone looking to trial under the FDA’s soon to be enacted TREAT Act – accelerated approval to treatment regime towards people with “life threatening” disease – a back door if you will towards FDA approval for trials utilizing cannabis – thanks
    Tommy Fitzgerald
    meaf0@yahoo.com

    • Sorry we don’t bro, but if we hear of one, we will pass it on!

      If you are an OMMP patient, we can help you procure meds for your own trials though. Where are you located?

      • Pa – started building my own grow room – as my disease is progressive, I don’t have time to wait – my helpers have bleached the room and will seal and repaint the block in the next week, then build the grow table, on and on – I have my neurologist support and if I’m not selling, I’ll take my chances with a trial if need be. If they arrest me, I figure my medical bills will be close to a quarter of a mil and won’t it be interesting if the cops take me with my service dog. Ha

  71. amazing work folks ,jobs a real goodin ,peace

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