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I do not fully understand the temperatures listed in the table in light of my own observations. The boiling temps under a standard atmosphere seem to be MUCH higher when the elements of the mixture are heated up together as I do when I create POHO (red hash oil). If you have never tried fully realized red oil (POHO!) then boy howdy are you in for a treat. Nothing I have tried compares. I can easily maintain a temp of 365F in the final stages of preparation without the mixture of oil boiling though this must be approached with caution. Heating too fast or too much has destroyed much extract before I learned how to do this correctly. Zero solvents after the supercritical extraction for red POHO, and alcohol wash to make sunshine POHO. The final product is liquid at room temp and stores well in a syringe applicator in the refigerator. Even refigerated the finished oil is easily dispensed with a syringe applicator. https://vimeo.com/170356666?utm_source=email&utm_medium=vimeo-cliptranscode-201504&utm_campaign=28749
You're working with melting. Not boiling
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What temperature oil bath to decarboxylate a high cbd strain? On normal strains I use 250f
We use the same 250F.
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It is important to note that for the cannabinoids and sesquiiterpenes, the published boiling points are all at reduced pressure, on the order of 50 torr or less. Example: limonene boils at 177 C at 1 atm, but the value given for caryophyllene (a terpene with a larger and heavier mo-lecular structure) is a mere 119 C. Indeed, Wikipedia lists the BP of caryophyllene as 128 - 129 C at 14 torr - or about 1.8% atmospheric pressure. This includes the cannabinoids. To suggest that THC, a molecule twice the size of the aforementioned limonene, boils 20 C lower, is preposterous. For these heavier compounds, a melting point and vapor pressure (as % of atm) at a given temperature is more useful information for the consumer looking to dial in their vaporizer temps.
In more conventional terms, the boiling point of a material is related to pressure. This is why vacuum purging for BHO and HHO is used - by reducing the boiling point of the solvent, it evaporates faster and more completely. In concentrate manufacture, it's a constant battle to remove solvent and preserve terpenes, as both are volatile and boil at lower temperatures under reduced pressure. Thoroughly purged BHO often lacks the intense bright presence of monoterpenes (myrcene, pinene, limonene and linalool are most abundant in my experience) that a more careful purge would leave behind. Most of the sesquiterpenes and cannabinoids (and the flavinoid-type compounds listed at the end) decompose before they reach their effective boiling point at regular air pressure, which is why a vacuum boiling point is listed instead.
What is the lowest temp you could use to still decarb THCA into THC and still keep most to all the terps? I was thinking a sous vide at 110f for several hours. Does this sound like the right path? Thanks.
I use sous vide at 200F for 1hr 20min. Ground product goes into canning jars which are held down under the water with a brick. I watched a video of a guy doing this, sorry don't remember the link, and he showed test results. So that's what I do and it works.
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Any chance you might take a look at vaporizers for flowers rather than concentrates?
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Is it possible to isolate CBN and add it to your THC oil to act as a potentiater for the psychoactive properties? Just like you could do with terpenes?
In theory, yes. In practice? Very difficult. Isolating pure CBN would be very difficult without using the proper equipment, such as column chomatography. Even then there is the possibility that adding it to THC oil would have little to no effect. I also don't know why you would want to add CBN to THC oil anyway, CBN is a breakdown product of THC, it has less (if any) psychoactive properties than THC.
Based on the boiling point info it seems like it would be possible to isolate THCV from the other most significant psychoactive cannabinoids by making an extract from AVB that had been vaped thoroughly at somewhere between 366 and 427 degrees F
That is a really good idea. : ) However, an important factor about vaping is that it involves bringing cannabis up to oven temperatures(366 ~ 427). When vaping at these temperatures, it is only a matter of time before all active ingredients are cooked and useless. Therefore, depending on the duration of vaping that lasts at those temperatures, the THVC may or may not be preserved well in the AVB.
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Hi their reading up a lot on this and experimenting with adding some terpenes back to my ISO oil for flavour. I always got complemented on the look and smokeability of my ISO just I've always found due to the higher purging temps I can never get it to taste good. Just looking around and was trying to find what terpenes give kush that distinctive kushy aroma. Wondering if you had any experience or input on this.
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i need a formulation for a lung cancer patients that cant smoke or vaporize he mostly needs it for nausea from chemo , i make HAOO and HAOT for myself to treat chronic pain and fibromyalga have access to a mk3 , does it matter if im using nug run,trim or whole plant? i do all. would winterized then decabed in an oil bath and mix with liquid coconut oil say 10g bho to how much coconut oil ? would this work orally or capsule thanks in advance
How to get more ß-caryophyllene in the gastric mucosa? Saute some flowers in ghee and drink the ghee?